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Don G.
@Don G.
09/24/17 12:22:44PM
1,528 posts
The BEST Way to Word Hypnotic Inductions and Suggestions
Barry Neale:
Hi Don, The point I was trying to make was, what if the client was just being socially compliant? I am reminded of a story of a psychology professor telling a group of students that he was going to put on a hypnosis "record" (remember them?) and then leave the room. The students were to listen to the recording and go into hypnosis. The professor mistakenly puts the wrong record on (a piece of music) and leaves the room. When he returns he realises he has put the wrong record on but to his amazement the students had complied and gone into "hypnosis". Barry

 
 

Exactly!

 

It is the context in which the suggestion is presented, rather than the content of the suggestion itself, that produces the expected result, just as it is the context of the person's life that determines the effect that a therapeutic suggestion will have upon that life.  So why are worrying so much about formatting and content?

 

Best,
 
Don

updated by @don-g: 09/24/17 12:51:23PM

Don G.
@Don G.
09/24/17 10:14:17AM
1,528 posts
The BEST Way to Word Hypnotic Inductions and Suggestions
Barry Neale:
And what if the cloud had heard about these powerful folk living on the land far below who could make clouds rain just by doing a funny dance. Although he didn't understand how the cloud really believed in these stories. Then one day the cloud looked down at the rain dancers and thought "oh they're dancing, that must mean I have to rain now" and he complied, because, after all, that's what clouds do when the rain dancers dance..... The rain dancers looked up and saw the rain and thought "See, we are the ones who danced in exactly the right way to cause the cloud to give forth it's rain" And the cloud looks down and thinks "gee I hope I did that right"  

Hi Barry,
 But the cloud, of course, is not alive and is incapable of drawing such inferences. But we are -- and we do.
I once saw a classroom movie which depicted an object moving up to and stopping at another object, which immediately started moving. it was uncanny, because even though I knew that it was all an illusion, I could not escape the feeling that the first object had "caused" the second one to move. The first event "causes" the second one in our imagination, and there's  no escaping it..
 The psychologist B. F . Skinner did an experiment with pigeons, in which he arranged that a single kernel of corn would be dropped into their cage at purely random intervals over a twenty-four hour peopd. Wjhen he checked on  them the next day, the pigeons were going through all sorts of weird dances. Wny? Because whatever they were doing when a kernel fell would tend to be repeated, if it was "rewarded" with a kernel of corn. And if the pigeon was doing something else the nerxt time, that would bend to be repeated too  It wsn't long before the pigeons had learned all sorts of contortions. He titled his research paper, 'Superstition" in the Pigeon.
 Imho, there is a similar "partial reinforcement effect" that has shaped the behavior of hypnotists over time to accord more importance to methhod than to context. This was later expanded on by Sarbin, cited below. And that's why we have to align our suggestions with the ongoing narrative of the client's life if we are going to produce a lasting change in it.
 
Best,
 
Don

 

Reference

 

De Rivera, Joseph & Sarbin, T. R.  (Eds.) (1998).  Believed-in imaginings: The narrative constructon of reality. Wqshington, DC: American Psychological Assn.,  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Don G.
@Don G.
09/24/17 06:36:51AM
1,528 posts
The BEST Way to Word Hypnotic Inductions and Suggestions

A few years ago at a hypnosis conference in London, during a discussion of the phenomenon of hypnotic rapport, one of the members of the audience said that she used to occasionally lapse into her native Gaelic during a hypnosis session, and, even though her clients may not have understood a word of Gaelic, the results were quite effective.

 



Suppose, instead of using a language that was already fully developed, she had decided to experiment with the language patterns of everyday English, and assembled a group of like-minded individuals to help her discover exactly which inductions, and which suggestion patterns, were the most effectvie. Sometimes the results would appear to be more powerful in comparison with the patterns which had been used before -- at least with the present clients.

 



 Over time, as these practitioners discovered that sometimes the results were more effective and sometimes they were less effective, we could expect a drift in the direction of ever more complex patterns as more and more elements were added to the mixture, much as the Native American rain dances evolved over the course of many centuries whenever the weather looked rainy because sometimes it did actually rain when the dance was performed -- and heavily, too!  So, the obvious conclusion to draw was not that the rain dance itself was ineffective, but that it was necessary to keep working on in order to made it more powerful.



  



Before we continue to expend more time, energy, and money in developing fancier and fancier hypnotic language and induction patterns, we should consider that the effectiveness of a particular suggestion lies in the actual meaning that ii has for the client in terms of his or her individual life narrative rather than the linguistic style within which that suggestion is composed or the induction within which it is framed. 

 


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Don G.
@Don G.
09/21/17 04:29:50PM
1,528 posts
Hyperempiria

Hyerempiriq, or suggewtion-enhanced experience, is probably not what you think it is. Hitler got millions of people killed with it, and tried to use it to take over the world. 

in the foregoing video, after "der Furore" got the audience riled up enough , his Deputy Fuehrer, Rufolf Hess, got up and annoumced, "The Party is Hitler, but Hitler is Germany as Germany is Hitler," completely  identifying the nation with the man. Earlier in the speech, Hitler bhad oasted that he had eliminated every other political party in Germany, so the Nazi Party, in the person of the Fuehrer, was all that was lleft. The rest, ass they say, is history.

He didn't hypnotie anybody, but he sure used the power of suggestion-enhanced experience!  Fortunaately, there are more benigh uses for it. 

Don 

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Don G.
@Don G.
09/21/17 03:51:08PM
1,528 posts
Hyperempiria

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Don G.
@Don G.
09/21/17 03:15:23PM
1,528 posts
Translating Hypnotic Language
Barry Neale:
Wimpy:你正在聽我的聲音,讓你知道空氣的溫度,因為你可以開始注意到你的呼吸,當你變得更加意識到你的呼吸暫時呼吸,現在你可能會知道一個特別令人愉快的記憶,讓你微笑和感覺良好,關於這一點
I can't argue with that.....

That's easy for YOU to say!

Don G.
@Don G.
09/21/17 05:04:07AM
1,528 posts
Translating Hypnotic Language
init:
You're right Fable, What's the best way to let one's hair down and get stuck in?

Hi INit,
If you get a cahnce to look at his introduction to the Handbook of Hypnotic Suggestions and Metaphors, Hammond does a masterful job of explaining how to use suggestion in conversing with a client without sounding weird. And you can use it to some extent in everyday conversation too.
Best regards,
Don

Don G.
@Don G.
09/19/17 02:45:53PM
1,528 posts
Translating Hypnotic Language

[quote="Fable Goodman"]
[quote="Don G."] Simono,   i couldn't agree more. Even in written text, it is often overdone. A few entries back, some people tried to NLP all over me, even to the poiint of highlighting their embedded mewsages in red type, and all of the whie I was thinking, "C''mon. Who ya kiddin'?" This is an insult to our intelligence. Don[/quote] I

Fortuitous, but would my "unconscious" have chosen to "rat me out" llike that? For what purpose? And in the third person, no less?  Of course we can express ambivalence now and then; but I'll be the first to admit that I am about as good at NLP as Simon is in haning up diplomas. Imho (and with tongue in cheek), the task of uncovering any hidden unconscious malevolence in my words sounds like a job for an exorcist:_

 

 

As I have pointed out before, my  scripts utilize he BEST ME Technique of multimodal suggestion, which uses suggested changes in Beliefs, Emotions, Sensations and physical perceptions, Thoughts and images, Motives, and Expectations, to provide a systematic, comprehensive involvement of one's entire being in the content of a suggested voyage into parallel or alternate universe, or even into the Multiverse itself. Hypnotic language is written with frequent pairing of words and images, and the use of spoken suggestions which are t I repeated far beyond the point of boredom in an ordinary conversation, with considerable elaboration much as one might vary the verses and choruses of a song.

Don

 and my spooky unconscious 

updated by @don-g: 09/20/17 04:28:09AM

Don G.
@Don G.
09/19/17 04:04:18AM
1,528 posts
Translating Hypnotic Language
Simon Tebbenham:
Well...avoid 'thaaaat's riiiiiiight!' like the plague is a good starter. Once someone, with a boundary of conversation a touch more than a client, asks you "why are you talking like such a dick?!", one tends to find other more natural affirmations! Perhaps there's a market there for someone to bring out a new book: "Learn Conversational Hypnosis WITHOUT sounding like a total weirdo" According to the big E hipmself in the foreword of Bandler/Grindler's Patterns... book - he wasn't that aware of the techniques he was employing and recommended doing your own thing anyway and not copying him. Never read a foreword that made me want to skip reading a book so much! I use Ericksonian language patterns in my written texts quite a lot, for marketing etc, and I think it's easy to get by - but spoken? not so much. Consciously doing it, and sounding unconsciously fluid isn't the most natural thing in the world. Then at the other end, there are people who are totally fluent in Ericksonian speak, but are fluent in sounding weird also!   I read sales copy and overviews of stuff by some of the big hypno gurus, who are marketing their courses to people already in the know, and they still can't help themselves spurting out some of this crap. I can just imagine them at home: "As you sit there, focussing on your dinner, you may find yourself noticing that the salt is out of my reach. And I wonder, if this will happen quickly, or slowly, or if it...""FFS, do you want me to pass you the salt?" "Yes please, sorry." So, generally speaking, I think 'conversational' hypnosis is one of the most paradoxical phrases in our whole arena.   

Simono,
 
i couldn't agree more. Even in written text, it is often overdone.
A few entries back, some people tried to NLP all over me, even to the poiint of highlighting their embedded mewsages in red type, and all of the whie I was thinking, "C''mon. Who ya kiddin'?" This is an insult to our intelligence.
Don

Don G.
@Don G.
09/17/17 11:32:27AM
1,528 posts
Personality Styles Expert
init:
Hi Don, I see where you are coming from and rightly so. To make useful pigeonholes of everyone would be much too complex, one would probably want a more sortable or useful system of categorization. In the context of the personality of an individual or group, there might be some usefulness for the huge number of therapists, profilers, headhunters, Nlp geeks, Human Resource Administrators and others who effectively use some variation of them. Any classification in the Meyers Briggs test is not inherently right or wrong, good or bad. Until one applies it to a context, then, it might be useful.  To quantify the plausibility of a level of aptitude toward a specific behavioural response  in context could be a useful measurement to calibrate in certain formulas when forcasting likely performance. But, alas, my point was that their consensus is that personality is fixed and can't be changed. Maybe that's the truth. I have bee n  meditating with myselves  in parallel Multiverses, so donut put the blame on me :) Warm Regards init

Hi Init,
If I am an INTJ, how much of an I am I, how much of an N am I, how much of a T am I, and how much of a j am I?  And when do I change  from an I to an E? The Myers-Briggs won't tell me.
Personalities can and do change, as you say; but as it stands now, the test won't measure it., even within its own categories.
You are a worthy opponent, and I enjoy these workouts  But in this area,, I do have an unfair advantage, because i used to teach this stuff
Now I'm off to a join a school of dolphins in an alternate universe and after transmogrifying into one of them, we will play together for a while. 
Best regards,
Don.