it's making me go insane

Created: 08/14/17 06:10:44AM by matthew-ian-bradley

Last Update: 09/09/17 12:03:18PM by Daniel Oromaner, MBA, CCHt
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Daniel Oromaner, MBA, CCHt

08/20/17 10:59:37AM

46 posts

matthew ian bradley:
Fantastic responses. Very interesting and informative. So thank you. (SNIP) He has a history of anxiety going back to junior school. Moving to France from the U.K. 5yrs ago at 14yrs old. A difficult age without having to learn a new language. Hi parents separated a year ago. However he said he was cool with that. I suggested subconsciously that maybe ( as suggested here) he had transferred the ibs symptoms that there was a need for empathy. He thought this possible. He's going to study psychology so has a keen interest in the subject matter. We worked on his current fear using emdr to update the computer. Then I showed him how to do autogenic hypno.which he loved. Empowering him to control what he thought was uncontrollable. Then using Dr flowers induction we had a managers meeting. The part giving him the weard feeling turned up but didn't talk. He said it was him. I asked the part what it's purpose was . In the end I asked to nod or shake its head. My client struggled to see this character clearly but said that once it nodded its head to agree to help it disappears. I asked him to see if he was sure it agreed, he said he thought so. I asked him to invite him back but he couldn't. The other parts creative,young, rebel, strong were all great and supportive. I then future paced him. I also showed him some breathing exercises to aid the auto hypno. He promised to do the exercises everyday to re write the software.  I will write more to individuals and give an update  when my thumbs out of traction! Once again thanks for the response Matt  

You are welcome! Although I am not trained in EMDR and believe hypnotherapy to be more powerful, it seems you are making progress. So well done! And, I appreciate your update.

There doesn't seem to be any indication from what you have written that this young man IS psychotic! He seems very in touch with reality and just has an odd "belief." I have to wonder about the psychological training of those practitioners on this thread who recommended you refer him out to a psychiatrist--who undoubtedly would take the opportunity to prescribe some anti-psychotic meds that would have a high likelihood of messing up his entire life!

Question to all those who suggested that: How would YOU feel and live your life if at 19 an educated doctor diagnosed you as psychotic/crazy? How much do you know about the effects and side effects of anti-psychotic meds?

Once, about a year ago, I did have a psychotic woman in my office. It took her husband and another family member 30 minutes while standing outside my door to convince her to come inside. After a few minutes it was clear her mind was not with us and I (sadly) explained to the family I could not help her. It may be slightly debatable, but at this moment I don't believe hypnotherapy can be particularly helpful for psychotic patients. Thus, even though I had spent an hour with them at that point, I charged them nothing and sent them to a local hospital or psychiatrist. CLEARLY, Matt, your young man is not psychotic!

Now, I would like to briefly address the few on here who ARE SURE that it couldn't be an entity. The last time I was that certain of things I was nineteen years old myself! PLEASE don't inject your spiritual non-beliefs into your work or spread them on this message board! You are welcome to believe whatever you like, or not. However, when survey after survey show a large segment of the population believe in ghosts/spirits and many believe they have seen or been touched by them (Pew Research Survey) are you being helpful by discounting that possibility? Contributors to this thread have said or implied that if you agree with an entity explanation that you could make things worse! Really? Worse than denying it and labeling him crazy?

Finally, to those who have attempted to quote "Occam's razor." There seems to be some popular misunderstanding of this concept. According to Wikipedia: "
This means that if there are several possible ways that something might have happened, the way that uses the fewest guesses is probably the right one. However, Occam's razor only applies when the simple explanation and complex explanation both work equally well. If a more complex explanation does a better job than a simpler one, then you should use the complex one." And, I'm not actually sure WHICH is the simplest explanation! If someone comes to me saying they think they are possessed, isn't believing them the simplest explanation?

So Matt, I'm glad that at least some of the responses have been helpful to you and you seem good at eliminating the worthless or potentially harmful responses here, so good for you! Best of luck!

Inner Power Hypnosis & Coaching
Tempe, Arizona, USA

John Cleesattel

08/21/17 10:34:29PM

3,176 posts

[Quote from Matthew Ian Bradley's response:] The other parts creative,young, rebel, strong were all great and supportive.

Those parts are not generic to the managers meeting itself... You just invite who you need for each individual.


updated by @john-cleesattel: 08/21/17 10:36:14PM

Michael Bucy, CH

09/08/17 04:39:12PM

13 posts

YES! Thank you, Barry, for suggesting the possibility of undiagnosed MI/SMI. This could be the first psychotic episode requiring acute intervention by trained specialists. If so, studies seem to indicate better long-term care/life experience the sooner treatment is received for such an episode.
A quick Scholarly Google search will provide an abundance of reading material on the subject for those inclined to ask for links to studies, etc. 
I’m surprised by the responses of well-meaning professionals who may not have experience (professionally or personally) with MI/SMI. There’s client care & safety at the heart of all we do (I hope). The wise person knows there is wisdom in seeking consult from those in other advanced medical & spiritual professions. The foolish person points & mocks at the learned!
Barry Neale:
 Which can often be the symptom of an undiagnosed mental illness. So as we are talking about a 19 year old man with a history of stressful events, anxiety AND who has IBS, which can often be linked with psychosis and schizophrenia I would suggest that you refer this young man out. If this is the case bringing up the subject of entities/spirits could make a bad situation worse. regards Barry


Michael Bucy, CH

09/08/17 04:55:54PM

13 posts

Occam’s Razor

Definition of Occam's razor

  1. a scientific and philosophical rule that entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily which is interpreted as requiring that the simplest of competing theories be preferred to the more complex or that explanations of unknown phenomena be sought first in terms of known quantities


Did You Know?

William of Occam (also spelled "Ockham") didn't invent the rule associated with his name. Others had espoused the "keep it simple" concept before that 14th-century philosopher and theologian embraced it, but no one wielded the principle (also known as the law of parsimony) as relentlessly as he did. He used it to counter what he considered the fuzzy logic of his theological contemporaries, and his applications of it inspired 19th-century Scottish philosopher Sir William Hamilton to link Occam with the idea of cutting away extraneous material, giving us the modern name for the principle.


I try to use reputable resources to define words; since words have power! Wikipedia is a user-edited website that literally anyone can edit. The Merriam-Webster Dictionary has been around since 1828 and, in my humble opinion, a better source to define a concept some have disdained (for whatever personal reason).

Daniel Oromaner, MBA, CCHt

09/09/17 12:03:17PM

46 posts

Hi Michael! Glad to have another local Arizona hypnotherapist jump in the fray!

To be honest, I'm not entirely sure what you are saying, other than the Wikipedia jab. I am well aware of the origin and process of that website, and also know that since others can edit it, the results tend to conform to general thinking. If not, why does it do so well in Google searches? Obviously, many millions of people rely on that information. Besides, in terms of "Occam's Razor" I think you are splitting hairs.

But let's get back to the patient/client. [quote="Michael Bucy, CH"]

YES! Thank you, Barry, for suggesting the possibility of undiagnosed MI/SMI. This could be the first psychotic episode requiring acute intervention by trained specialists. [/quote]  [/quote]

Well, I think we all should have enough education in psychology to understand psychosis, and to be able to differentiate someone who is psychotic from someone who is neurotic. So yes, if the practitioner has no idea about the difference, I would agree someone else should be working with that patient. However, mainstream medicine seems to discount completely the whole "voices in my head" phenomenon, and tends to characterize that as psychotic when there are no other indications. In doing so, they ignore the hundreds of well-known writers, song writers and musicians who have talked about the song or words "coming through them" rather than from them! Do you think Paul Simon, Bob Dylan and Paul McCartney are psychotic? I know novelists have gone on record saying similar things, but I can't recall their names off the top of my head.

So yes, I am skeptical of some of those "Serious Mental Illness" diagnoses. Since you used the term, I'm sure you know that here in Arizona that applies also to anxiety disorders, PTSD and other non-psychotic conditions. And yes, I do feel qualified to tell the difference between someone who is psychotic. If you question that, please check out the Credentials page of my website. I tried to do that with you, but alas your website only has one page "in progress" I guess.

I also outlined how I have helped at least one patient, actually multiple patients, who were diagnosed as psychotic or prescribed anti-psychotic meds. And, as we know, hypnotherapy isn't useful for truly psychotic people, so how did I do that? If you don't know that the traditional medical establishment is OWNED by the pharmaceutical companies, I suggest that you do some research on that topic!

You can start here:
"Who will Guard the Guardians of Psychiatry"

Or here:
"Depression is NOT a Chemical Imbalance"

The first is written by a retired psychologist, and the second is commented on by a family physician who treated "thousands of depressed patients."

Daniel Oromaner
Inner Power Hypnosis & Coaching
Tempe, Arizona

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